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FionnM's avatar

This reminds me of watching the film JFK, and by extension arguing with JFK truthers. Just an endless deluge of "well someone other than Oswald COULD HAVE done it, (therefore Oswald is exonerated)". Eventually you realise that this movie and these people have zero interest in approaching the evidence dispassionately and deriving the most likely explanation from that evidence. Rather, they have decided that the Warren report and its conclusions are wrong, and will bring up (or invent) any and all facts which seem remotely germane to advancing that goal, even if those "facts" are incongruent with one another or support alternative explanations which are mutually contradictory. The goal is not to advance a specific alternate explanation for what really happened, but rather to sow enough fear, uncertainty and doubt by suggesting superficially plausible alternate hypotheses that the viewer/reader throws their hands up in despair and decides that AT LEAST one of these alternative explanations must have something going for it. Which explanation for the assassination the viewer/reader arrives at is almost beside the point, provided it's not the official one (much like your clients don't care who gets implicated by their alternative explanations, as long as it isn't them).

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Accepting a lie and gradually introducing new information that makes it less likely is essentially Columbo's strategy. Each episode is him frumpily saying things like "I guess it makes sense that Gillian gave the cookies to the dog, but I checked with the vet and the dog's right as rain. I wish my dog was that healthy" and murderer agreeing in an increasingly strained tone while Columbo prattles on about finding a good vet.

As for the reasons why it wouldn't work, isn't one issue that it could also work on people that aren't lying?

For example, consider Orwell describing a hypothetical conversation with a flat earther or an oval earther.

https://www.telelib.com/authors/O/OrwellGeorge/essay/tribune/AsIPlease19461227.html

He concedes that he might eventually run out of "cards" to play against the oval earther and it's entirely possible that he'd lose the argument about the shape of the earth (regardless of what shape the earth actually is).

I think Scott Alexander also writes a bit about this, usually in the context of disproving Atlantis. Sometimes he doesn't have a way to refute a "fact" besides just waving it off as a coincidence. Or to use a historical example, Galileo was correct that the Earth rotated around the sun, but had no answer for the vexing existence of stellar parallax, despite being correct.

You point out that this is only a reasonable tactic during a confrontation, but it's even narrower than that. It's only useful for the attacker in a confrontation. If you're on "defense" then the extra facts you bring in are just "confetti". This feeling should be familiar to anyone that's argued with a conspiracy theorist. They're going to be bringing in the supposed trajectory of the bullet during frame 245 of the Zapruder film and I can just mumble something about how unlikelier things have happened. I don't even know what temperature jet fuel burns at or steel beams melt at. Sure, I can say some disjointed facts about where the jets hit, but someone that's been mainlining Loose Change for decades will be able to blow off that confetti without issue.

This applies more to criticizing "spin doctors" that are usually operating under a different set of assumptions and beliefs than the person calling them a spin doctor. It seems like "throwing confetti and pivoting" and "gauntlet of relevant facts until you encounter something vexing" are a type of Russel's conjugation. Due to underlying beliefs, it's unlikely that both parties agree which facts are relevant or vexing, making the difference between the two mostly a matter of perspective. Throw in the fact that the different parties might not be on even footing (one might be more knowledgeable, one might be smarter, one might be facing higher stakes, one might have some sort of positional advantage like deciding when the conversation is over) and there's possibly even more subjectivity on what counts as relevant or vexing for the conversation.

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