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I feel so vindicated. I'm actually a fan of FdB, notwithstanding the fact that he would probably rather I wasn't. So much so, that even what I perceived, at least, as overt rudeness to me in his comment section didn't make me a non-fan.

And I admit that I'm perennially baffled by the fact that someone who opposes nation states supports a movement whose goal is to establish a... nation state (that would be worse for human rights and democracy and the such in any sense I can conceive of).

Likewise, that he stated he is under no obligation to condemn Hamas because it's obvious he's no ally of theirs from his values in all domains of life, but that this 1) didn't stop him from condemning Israel, when he presents this stance as a mere specific stance of a general principle too; 2) I would call his denial of rapes on 7/10 and overt support of the Palestinian cause more than 'not condemning' Hamas.

I take comfort in the fact that my comment on one of his essays about this made it to the top of the thread even in a hostile environment (https://open.substack.com/pub/freddiedeboer/p/i-assure-you-i-am-permitted-to-oppose?utm_campaign=comment-list-share-cta&utm_medium=web&comments=true&commentId=44905611). I worry that it might be deleted now, so, for posterity:

I'm an Israeli and I would have agreed on nearly all counts on October 6. I still think the only way forward is toward Palestinian autonomy. At this point in time, a one-state solution is a death sentence to me, in a way that I think was not true when I inherited leftism from my family. This might be Israel's fault, though I'll refer you to your own article about how it is not only the whites who have agency (are Jews white, anyway? I specifically have Polish roots, but...). I think it is an unmitigated tragedy that of all Israeli governments, THIS one is waging this war. I have zero ideological overlap with them and zero faith in their ability to accomplish even their own professed ends. It doesn't matter to Hamas, though, that I protested against the occupation in the West Bank, refused to contribute to the Occupation in my IDF service, both at personal risk and cost. I must note, though, that the towns Hamas targeted featured people far far braver and nobler than I, with better leftist bonafides, and they will be sorely missed in the discourse because they are dead.

Justice for the Palestinians as Hamas perceives it involves using their own people as meatshields and outsourcing the responsibility for their welfare expressly to the UN. Their blood and soil rhetoric is as disgusting as any you'll find.

They are impeding, not aiding, the Palestinian cause, unless this cause can be articulated as "death to Jews". I'm sorry if it appears to me that the embrace of the Palestinian cause is an excuse for antisemitism, given how far back Hamas pushed said cause and how repugnant Hamas should be to anyone who identifies as a liberal, a humanist, a progressive... No, I'm not sorry at all. I'm disappointed and scared in a way I used to mock my mom for being, because I thought antisemitism was largely a thing of the past. I don't think you're an antisemite, not least because it would be immensely painful to conceive of with how much I appreciate you. You would do well to acknowledge the brutality of the attack against Israel (still ongoing - Hamas violated the ceasefire by refusing to release (female) hostages), the deafening silence of women's organizations, the sheer ignorance fueling some of the discourse, etc etc etc. You say you shouldn't have to, and I agree. Condemnation of all these things should be fucking obvious. Instead we got *praise* for these atrocities. Talk about "context". And I'm forced to be more Zionist than I've ever been because I see more clearly than ever before that Jewish lives, women's, babies', are forfeit in the eyes of the """left""". Everything is a holocaust, everyone are Nazis, except for genocidal attacks against Jews by people who say Hitler had it right. And I'm scared. I'm more scared still of losing my values because of how scared I am. I do not want to the people who spat on Shani Louk's naked corpse as it was paraded in the street to vote for my parliament. It doesn't make me anything but a sane human being.

Anyway, thank you for your tax dollars.

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That "Pro-Palestinianism" (it's anything but) is purely performative is a feature not a bug. That Gaza is foreign and remote and non-actionable on the local level is precisely the attraction.

Your basic ignorant (and determined to remain ignorant at all costs) Western poseur moron gets to check the box that says to all: "Look at how moral and good a person i am (more than you)", without actually having to bear any consequences or do anything real. All the costs are imposed on the Israelis, the Palestinians, and, increasingly, the "bad jews" who dare to take issue with Islamist religio-fascist psychopaths or reject that rape is justified under certain political circumstances.

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